CONVERSATION WITH ASHTAR
23rd April, 1995
Good afternoon, I am Ashtar and I am delighted to be with you. I have been waiting for some little time for this energy to settle so that I could come through. I tend to be rather impatient in these matters, particularly when those who are here are open to me being here.
It's nice to have you here. Thank you for coming.
I've not come with any great message for you today, but just the excitement of your interest in us being here was enough for me to make my presence felt.
I've been thinking about you all week, actually, wondering if you would come through at some point.
Mm. Well, I am here. Is there something you wish me to speak on, or is there something you wish to ask? If not, I can entertain you for a little while, first.
We were speaking before about the mechanics of channeling and the way a channel uses their own concepts and thoughtforms to interpret the energy. Is this correct ?
Yes, we in Spirit enjoy the channeling experience, as you call it, because it allows us to have our energy translated through a number of different entities. What this means is that we enjoy the show, too, because we get to see how those on the Earth plane interpret our presence.
So there's no 'right' and 'wrong'.
No, you know this by now.
Yes, it was a confirmation, merely.
For us, it is entertainment as well. We like to have a little bit of a laugh ourselves and sometimes it is of interest to try out new channels. I am having some... ah, I am aware of this channel's difficulty in getting used to my energy. I am sure that when I have communicated through him a number of times, he will feel more comfortable with my presence and it will tend to flow a lot more. He is also having a little difficulty with my humourous side and it might be some few moments before he relaxes with that and allows that through.
He has a rather strong humourous side, too.
That is why I like to try speaking through him. To see what he does with my humour.
I read a book recently that spoke of the seeding of planet Earth, the information didn't seem to be coming through about Earth's ascension, as such. Perhaps we have now got to a point where we can understand more, that at that time we didn't...
The seeding of planet Earth is like the seeding of the people - the people who live on it. One can only operate at the level of highest wisdom and this is an aspect that you are aware of and in the same way that the entity spoke through this channel some time ago about the seeding of planet Earth, now we are channeling information through about Earth's ascension. There is on the Earth plane, as you know, through linear time a sequence of events that must be gone through. Highest wisdom is brought into play to put those sequence of events in the right order. Just as it was inappropriate to talk some years ago about Earth's ascension it is no longer appropriate to talk about seeding of the planet.
Yes, I think it helps to clarify my feelings about this book. So it seemed that there were a number of entities upon the Earth that were being checked over every few years by beings from other planets to see if they were... to check their physical - bacteria, and other such matters. It was a very physical sort of thing. But it was just odd.
There is a little voyeur in all of us. Even in spirit.
And these entities had, I gather, consented to such information gathering ?
Indeed they had. Many of them were not aware of this as it was happening because the consent in many cases was given before they came here but it is all part of the divine plan.
We have been observing this planet for as long as it has been around and we make our presence known to a greater or lesser extent depending on the changing importance of the knowledge of us being here. What I am trying to say here is, through this channel who is still getting used to my presence, is that at times we had observed for millenia from afar, as passive observers, delighting in what's happening, checking on what's going on, being interested in the evolution of this planet. At other times, we have been observers with the awareness of those who are being watched. This is important, again it is with highest wisdom in mind that we either make our presence known or not. Does this answer your question ?
Yes, I think so. The other thing I remember thinking was, when we visit upon your spacecraft, for instance, and we return and try and recall being there and it is very difficult to recall being there. Is this because it is still difficult for us to acknowledge the energy in any form other than visual... and 3D form ?
Yes, in a sense. What you must understand is that part of your contract here is that of the veil. If you are to have snippets of time on the other side of the veil it is important that when you return here, to the Earth plane, that at least part of that knowingness is removed. The knowingness is implanted in your blueprint - total knowingness is there, but it is important that it seem dreamlike for you because if it does not seem dreamlike, how will you remain bound to the Earth plane? How will you complete your contract? You might well chose to leave here and play on my spacecraft with me.
Yes. Yes, that makes sense.
I look forward to you doing that but there is a time when you will play on my spacecraft with the knowingness of that when you return here. That is the time after your ascension, of your total ascension. That is the time after the planet's ascension.
So until then, we still play this game.
Well, to call it a game is an interesting interpretation on the energy. It is, well, yes, it is a game. You could even say it was a joke. You could say the cosmic plan is a joke. There is much humour in the cosmos. Why not see it all as a joke, but the reality of it is that it is part of this plan and you cannot, whilst you are on the Earth plane, sequentially change the pattern in which things occur. You still need to go through sequential time filtered through highest wisdom.
All is one and one is all from our perspective. The past is the future and vice versa and you understand this, you have a knowingness of this. You are beings who are evolved sufficiently that you understand the concept of nonsequential time and we are aware of this so I can speak to you of these matters. I find it refreshing to be amongst a group of people who are open to the concept of similtaneous time because it allows me to speak to you more openly about the way things are, without you running a mile or closing off to the concept of what I am saying.
Yes, patience... I imagine.
Mm... Patience is something you practise. Patience is not a good concept to imagine. That would be frustration. For us... that for me is the ultimate joke - imagining patience. Seems like a good way to kill time, if you will pardon my joke !
I have a question, Ashtar. Actually, I'm not really sure of how to word this question, just that since your presence arrived, it's been there. And it's to do with the gasings in Tokyo and the bombing in Oklahoma; and I have experienced these with a certain amount of detachment, which I think I have experienced more recently, in these type of disasters. Is this to do with the Earth's ascension or is it to do with the dark forces, or whatever, trying to play their part or -I'm having trouble finding out what my actual question is here...
I'm getting a sense of it but I would like you to persevere a little more so that you can give me a more clear question.
Well, what is the difference between, say, the earthquake we had recently in Japan, which is seen as a disaster of nature or Mother Earth, and a man made act like the gas attack or the act of bombing a building with innocent people in it ? Are they connected ?
They are connected in the sense of the Oneness. You are aware that there is no separation. To look at one thing and say it is nature and another to say it is mankind, or the act of mankind, is to try and extrapolate parts of the whole and examine them for their own sake. This can be a useful experience but not often. One thing to remember, of course, is that Earth is a free will zone and so there are things that are done here by human kind that would not occur anywhere else by living entities. Also, there are things that occur in nature, on Earth, that would not occur anywhere else, either, because of free will. The planet also has free will, you see.
But I take the point of your question. If one looks down a microscope at something, one will end up seeing the same thing as if one looks at the cosmos itself. Try and examine things without involving yourself; as you say, in a detached state. You see, the further you go along your path the more you will stand back from things and view them from a distance. As you do that the more you will see the cosmic plan in play. However, if you are able to stand back from events, and take a look at them, you see how they fit into the cosmic plan. If you look at them very closely as if they somehow effect you, then it is too easy to judge them, to say they are of the darkness, or that they are not of the darkness. One must remember that the darkness is only the same energy as the Light. Do you see what I mean ?
Yes. I think I knew that answer, it was the question I had difficultly with.
Just as the Light and darkness are different aspects of the same energy, so, too, are questions and answers. It is just that, somehow, you don't trust that you have the answer and this is why we come here to speak to you, to remind you that because you ask the question you have the answer. Ultimately, you will not need to ask us of such matters, you will only need to ask yourself. This is what you are learning at this time, to channel your Inner Guide.
Yes, it's very hard when you see how the media handle these events I still find I get a bit angry, like the media were throwing accusations around about who could have done the bombing and it turned out today that it was a right wing American war hero, from Desert Storm, who was behind this bombing in Oklahoma and they'd been blaming muslims which is another culture, another religion. I found that I did experience a bit of anger from that regard. The media is so quick to jump on finding someone to blame; and trying to, in some way, even create retaliation. I think that was what has probably stirred me up a bit, about this, this week. And it turned out it was a right wing "gun lobby" war hero who was behind it...
It matters not who has done it. All this tells me that you are not yet at the point where you can observe, totally, without being affected by it. All that matters is that you, as individuals, walk your path until you are affected in no way at all by what happens. The media is stuck in that place of still wishing to find blame. Blame gets people interested in watching. Do you feel many people would watch, or read of such matters if there was no blame... if it was just reported ?
People like to see themselves reflected in their events - in the events that they view and judge. What they look for in these reports is a sense of righteousness, a sense of right and wrong, a sense that, somehow, someone has done something to these people. All this has nothing to do with what is really happening. What is really happening is that these people who view this information need only to understand about themselves and their own process and their own path, rather than succum to the distraction offered by the media.
Thank you.
I sense it is time to leave you for the moment. I will return again shortly. I enjoy being present at your fortnightly gatherings. We all do. We are all here. When so much energy is drawing in our presence, we cannot be distant from you. And we look forward to watching your spiritual path unfold. We take great delight in your progress and we look forward to each moment that the unfoldment of your path occurs. I will communicate with you again soon, until then... I bid you farewell.
Farewell.
Copyright 1995 Jaraya
